September 14, 2022 · 43 min

Dark Social Has Transformed The Buyer's Journey with Chris Walker

"Marketers that continue to copy the Salesforce playbook from 2006 for their 50-person SaaS company will continue to struggle. Nobody in a growth phase can win with this strategy anymore." Chris Walker Founder and CEO of Refine Labs. Buyers are taking an entirely new approach to make a purchasing de…

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"Marketers that continue to copy the Salesforce playbook from 2006 for their 50-person SaaS company will continue to struggle. Nobody in a growth phase can win with this strategy anymore." Chris Walker Founder and CEO of Refine Labs.


Buyers are taking an entirely new approach to make a purchasing decision. They are using slack communities, podcasts, social posts, friends' recommendations, and events to find solutions to their problems. Marketers stuck in the old ways will fall off if they don't understand how to use and measure their success with dark social and zero-click content.

 

One of the most significant issues is marketers don't know how to change their mindset or where to start this new strategy. So I invited Chris Walker from Refine Labs to help us out. We discuss:

  • What dark social means
  • How it is impacting the buying journey
  • How podcasting and podcast advertising is involved
  • How marketers can measure their efforts
  • What the future holds for marketing


To learn more about Chris, visit refinelabs.com or connect with him on Linkedin.


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